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Post time 2018-8-11 21:51:27 | Show all posts |Read mode
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hello,

I had asked this on the sky wing information thread, but it's not getting an answer. I have two infinite emblems and one Baxe,  as the title suggests, do duplicate Trinity emblems stack and or is it worth keeping? Looking for a consensus or from one of the respected gurus. Conquerer emblem is a myth!!

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Post time 2018-8-12 11:09:53 | Show all posts
They don't stack...just proc chance increase with number of special emblems you have...but this as well becomes tricky...let's say you have a total of 5 atk emblems and 1 conq...conq is reforged to have a 30% proc chance so you get that 30% chance and when procs gonna amplify 5 atk emblems...now let's say you reforge 1 of those atk's in to another conq with another 30% proc chance...now you will have a 60% proc chance but it will amplify 4 atk emblems...you increase proc chance but you loose firepower...so in the end you can have a 100% proc chance without any damage...now it's up to each player how they balance them...atk was used as an example when in the end result is same with any built you have
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Post time 2018-8-13 09:41:00 | Show all posts
Edited by wulf88 at 2018-8-13 03:42

Dear trikkii,

Multiple trinity emblems offer advantages to the player, both in chance and in bonuses.
However, each one of those function differently and the bonuses or chance are not additive or exponential but are being offered with a logarithmic (declining) growth.

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Post time 2018-8-13 23:42:05 | Show all posts
One of the posters is incorrect in just adding the percents. As wulf mentions it isnt Exponentialnor additive.  Of course that doesnt mean very much to most people so I will show you what it means.

2 conqueror at 25%
additive -          25%+25%                     =  50%
Exponential -     25%+25%+(25%*25%))=50.625%

how it works
Multiplicative -  25%+(25%*25%)            =37.5% diminishing returns per emblem

Meaning that on your attack each conq has a turn to proc and is calculated individually.  first conq has a 25% chance (it doesnt proc) next conq has a 25% chance so your odds increase because you have more chances to create a proc.  Because of this having more than 2 or 3 infinities that are the same is pretty much where you would want to stop because that spot would be better used with a different emblem.

The reason I state 2 or 3 is a top ranked conq has a 36% chance 2 of the would make it 54% chance of proccing.  Conqueror last 8 secs and with the use of 2 spells and in those 8 secs you have 54% to proc again with a different spell or with cool down of the initial spell used.  Sometime when your lucky you could have 3 chances to proc before the 8 secs are up.  Therefore you see how its unnecessary to have more than 3 ever.
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Post time 2018-8-14 18:22:46 | Show all posts
Dear kallus,

Thank you for trying to figure this out, however the method that you said is not correct.
I will explain it in a later post or guide some time in the near future.

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Dear Wulf,

You are correct that I was wrong.  I made a careless assumption in my calculations.

the formula should look like this:
1Proc%+(2proc(1-1proc)

so 1 conq at 25% and another at 37%
37%+(25%(1-36%)=52.75%

and 1@37%, 1@25%,1@25%
it would be 64.56%

so even with 3 max conqs (37%) the most you can get is 75% and 4 would be 80.4%

Check my math but that should be the formula
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I don't know or understand high level math.  What I do understand is kick ass.  Since acquiring a second Infinite Emblem, I kick way more ass at Skyfall and any PVP event that they proc in.And Conqueror Emblem is not a myth.  Got one of those too.
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Thanks for the replies.
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