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        So I just wanted to make a thread entirely about money (in regards to this game). I want to talk about a couple of things firstly.
        My hypothesis: I believe the game has deliberately installed measures to scam people of their money. Charlatan sort of thing.

        My evidence: Anyone that knows me well (so none of you) will know that I only post these sorts of things with sufficient evidence. Here it goes:

        1: The game takes sexual appeal advertising over the top.
        Like I\'ve seen some funny ads from other games like come play my Lord and I\'m so eager for you to play with me, please? Both featuring women (usually warriors without the defensive attribute of armour, or mages, cause they wanted to create terrible reasoning for giving them no clothes). However, this game takes the sex appeal drive to a new level. Now before I go on, many of you are asking, Shargun, what does sex appeal have to do with money? Well fellow forum goers, it\'s simple. Studies have shown that adding an appeal of sex in an item, be it in advertisements or whatever you want; increases the profitability of the item by a very generous amount. I can\'t give you an exact percentage as the discovery is quite new and no formal testing has yet begun to answer that but there is concrete evidence it works. That ad the fact that every game in existence uses it. Now of course, there is a difference between the amount most games use and the amount this games uses. Both levels are misogynistic at best but League of Angels takes it to a whole new level. Not only do they exclusively have female angels, have no advertisement without a picture of these angels, give them augmented breasts to promote wild fantasies but they also then rip off another game (I\'m talking about Dead or Alive) which has pretty much a polyamorous level of female meat. I am aware the ad was removed but that was because of copyright infringement, not because of the sexual appeal, so the idealisms behind it are still correct. Now that you\'ve attracted your male, perverted, mostly stupid fanbase (you got me to, although I only found you on an MMO site, which only has text ads. Nevertheless you got me too), now you can use these angels that with their A.I communication, can beckon thee, o great warrior to pay a little sum of money. Now this little sum of money may be for some (but not all) a twisted delusion to receive gratitude from the angels because they\'re retarded, or for the greater portion, a means of enhancement to pass the time while enjoying the view. As in, they spend money so they can actually enjoy playing the game while enjoying the view. Cause grinding levels is never fun, especially when you could forfeit your wallet instead, which leads me to my next point, but first, some sources.
        The youtube clip containing the original dead or alive content ad:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUyyFRuB0Pw&noredirect=1

        An example in game of sexual seduction, using a double ontondra to supplement already silicon-supplemented angels:
       
        (I challenge you to find a suitable context for that outside of sex)
       
        I don\'t think I need to explain how unrealistic their breasts are, not to mention the fact that the clothing is a joke. The 2nd angel is clearly wearing a see-through bra. See-through bra equates to naked. This is softcore pornography, you want to make the community toxic because toxic people spend money on unrealistic things like this? You\'re doing a good job, but don\'t expect remorse from me when (and they already have) people start complaining on the forums about sexual deviants, paedophiles and perverts who think that the above photos are the acceptable level of attractiveness for a woman. There is none, everyone has beauty, you just can\'t see it.


        Moving on,
        2: The game makes a complete dependency on paying for its services that it\'s impossible to achieve anything without paying money. Now as always, One needs evidence to make these statements. But I\'ll start off with the basics first. Battle Rating is the nice way of disguising paid benefits to non-paying users of this game. Victories against people with a 10,000 higher battle rating has been seen. And not just in the upper echelons of the game, but down around levels 20-40 too. The reasoning? The combat system, due to the automatic functions of everything, relies heavily on who can kill the other persons hero first and who can generate the most rage. Your backup crew, so your other guys, are a lot less functional for victory then you think. Because in the end, the main hero\'s Battle Rating is a lot higher than the others\'. They can wipe you out and it\'s only a matter of which hero dies first that the slaughter happens. People with 10,000 less Battle Rating win because they have their Battle Rating in the right place. Now to explain once again, the link to money, I will put this forward. What is the easiest way, with the information given, to win battles? To increase your character\'s Battle Rating. And is there, or is there not, a clothes (so not armour) section for every character, that boosts your character\'s Battle Rating immensely, far more than the opposition? Yes there is. But alas, these benefits, like a lot of others, cost money. Shame. I guess you can try seeing how far you get grinding your way up to the top when not only are the players above you just as active/more actively playing than you, but they get things done, about 2.5X faster. The top is only getting higher, and if you want to settle for a gaming experience that roughly matches that of a chat room, then perhaps you may have some luck, but if you want to play the game for what it is, then I\'m sorry. Now I couldn\'t make these statements without playing the game of course. I played the game, and some components were great (not naming them or they\'ll stop improving) but a lot of the game, is crap. I had some benefits from Closed Beta of trying to play and level up with endless diamonds and VIP status, and let\'s just say, that shit\'s easy. 50 loop quests? I\'ll just collect enough exp for half a level up with 2 mouse buttons and a humble contribution from my wallet. The game is so easy when you pay, but to make it so easy, you have to pay a lot of money. I\'ve read and analysed the content posted here. I am aware from the responses of many individuals, that the system simply requires money to be functionable. Now before you go off and say Look Shargun, it\'s a pay to win game, they have to earn money to survive, I should mention that a simple evaluation of the costs will tell you what the problem is.
        For 200 diamonds, one can get a common bait attempt at fishing for 3 days. Or for another 200 diamonds, you can get an extra 2 free attempts at Clash of Might each day for 3 days. The benefits are very well tiny, there\'s no denying these benefits don\'t yield much benefit, as in Clash of Might doesn\'t even expend points that quickly, especially at lower levels. You can only attack in increments of 500 or 1000, until it goes down to a tenth, but this means that you cannot beat more than 3 people every day in clash of might (without paying more money if you so fancy) so why would you need more chances? Maybe the 5th time you\'ll beat that guy even though the combat system is run by A.I script, so almost all the actions will be identical. From my analysis of the content in the game excluding special events, the amount of diamonds needed to purchase everything to give you the highest advantage possible at the lowest cost would be around 10,000 diamonds. If I want to buy these diamonds, how much do I have to pay? A hundred dollars.... You even go the length of saying If you recharge $150 worth in one transaction or more, we will give you some synth scrolls, vouchers and aegis shards. All of these are obtainable easily without paying large sums of money in the first place but freebies are free so I will get them seems to be corrupting some people\'s brains. The simple fact that the game is encouraging purchases of hundreds of dollars at a time, let alone paying for seasonal and event-oriented benefits (which from responses already seems to notch the hundreds up a little) means that you\'re asking for ridiculous sums of money and you seriously have got to be joking me and every other user. My statistics and cost evaluations account for my sourcing, although a quick scroll through the forums will lead you to the posts I am mentioning.

        An important point now, probably the most important, is that the game is so hell-bent on getting money, that not only does it go for the lowest of people AND make it impossibly difficult to win without paying large sums of money, BUT ALSO, the game makers are corrupt. I\'m always one for a daring statement. I\'ve seen people placed in situations in regards to loop quests (the fastest way to grind levels after completing main and sub quests [without paying]) where the dungeon they need to clear is unaccessible at their level. Now, the beauty about this, is that this from my evaluations and everyone else\'s evaluations, is not a bug. People have defended it, saying that it is a bug but, there are 2 flaws. Firstly, it only occurs in high level dungeons (around 50+ although if you were a lower level and it happened feel free to tell me, I don\'t want to tell lies here) so people say that they got the coding wrong. However, the second flaw is that the high level dungeons were released at the same time as the low level dungeons. The producers were aware of the bug because they left it in there. If they did nothing, the system would copy the coding from the other loop quests for lower levels and would mean that the possibility for this occurring in high level dungeons, is literally impossible without interference. So now it is clear, that the only way this could exist, that only the high level dungeons have this glitch, is because of tampering by the game, or another party, but I think we\'d know by now if they were hacked. Now why do I think the game is corrupt with this? Why are they doing this? Because the only way to resolve the issue is to pay diamonds to skip the quest! And we all know what diamonds means! More money!! So there is still the question of why only the high levels though? Well fortunately, the answer is so simple there\'s 2 of them! It\'s more of a possibility, take your pick deal, so whichever you like, I don\'t know which or if both are correct. The first reason why this is the case is because high level players are far more likely to spend their money at whim in order to retain the strength of their character. This enables more secure and safer means by GTArcade to get more money. The other reason, more or less evil in nature, is because in Closed Beta, the time where no payments could me made, they knew that no one would reach a high enough level to identify the issue. However, a lot of people did reach above 50, so it may be more of a case of, did they implement it manually after the Closed Beta? I don\'t know, that\'d just be another evil point but I have no proof if that\'s the case so I won\'t support the idea yet. I think it was more a luck thing, where the issue was luckily not noticed/experienced by anyone. Or someone did see it, but with their diamonds, just spent them anyway. Or, because diamonds flowed freely, people spent them every time to skip loop quests so the issue could never actually have been noticed, so that\'s the safety of Closed Beta. Not sure which answer is the truth but none of them put GTArcade in a good position. Now some of you may disagree with me, say that my evidence is slim at best, mostly delusional paranoia and it\'s a cheesy explanation, but not only does my reasoning support everything I have said before, but it is further supported by the fact that the game has been corrupt on a number of occasions. Not only have they offered rewards for services that they actually took away without prior notice or consent (which is technically known as theft) but they have also used ideas from other companies and copied their content. Not only the Dead or Alive Video, I\'m talking about a lot more stuff.
        Some examples:
       
        You can tell the exact same splash art has been used because of the bubbles.
       
       
        Not so much of a direct copy paste but there are a couple of similarities that are a little too close for coincidence.
        Name: The first character is called Astral Child. The bottom character is called Soraka, THE STARCHILD
        Description: Both are 2 legged unicorn, female, ranged, support-oriented, healer, staff-wielding characters. To name a few similarities
        Ability: Dream Blessing. Soraka has the abilities Astral Blessing, Infuse, Starcall and Wish. Not so much here as the others but the theme is literally identical.

        So I think that\'s enough proof that the development team like to rip off other games for more money!! In case you were wondering, it\'s by using other people\'s content to improve their own. Kudos to whoever drew the Astral Child art, it\'s very nice. I just wish you didn\'t promote beastiality so much. Same goes for you too Soraka artist.



        So now that I\'ve proven the game is corrupt, has implemented features that force the payment of money and appeals to the highest paying audience using sexist and misogynist means, I think I would be more than up for a debate by any supporter who has evidence to prove me wrong. Just remember, I have provided a generous amount of content, evidence and case incidents to the scene. My hypotheses are all abstained of fault due to a lack of reasoning for favour of anything against this. I would love to see someone try to prove to me that there was an honest and good reason for their corruption, sex appeal and outlandish fees. Just warning you now, if you say that everything was just an innocent misunderstanding, I don\'t think I\'ll even respond to you.

        That\'s my essay on why GTArcade are desperate for money, feel free to comment but do try to keep death threats and rape threats at a low level please. That\'s just not nice. If you support what I\'ve said, even partially, feel free to comment below too, I would love to hear from likeminded people. And if you loved this so much that you want to see me rant about more, then feel free to hang around until I make a message about how the forums is a hellhole for glitches regarding a 30 second wait timer between comments that I timed on my computer to take over 4 minutes and the fact that despite the selected language being in English, random error messages in Mandarin are still popping up.

        Shargun
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Post time 2014-1-18 08:11:29 | Show all posts

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        Uhm, duh...

        Anyone who thinks a company who isn\'t trying to make money off their product is deluding themselves, so this fact should be obvious without all the words. Wanting to make money isn\'t nefarious. But if you\'re looking to make their efforts insidious and use science to back up your claim it can be predicated on one idea:  A lot of small rewards.

        This game does a great job of giving people a lot of small rewards to give them a sense of accomplishment. In short, you get hooked on the high of getting rewarded for little things, so you try to keep that high going. Just like any junkie.    So people let themselves get nickel and dimed. Once the wallet is cracked, rationalizing to oneself to open it again, or a little further is practically a forgone conclusion. People are incredibly good at rationalizing their own behavior and this game takes advantage of that.

        The only truly nefarious action I see by the devs is the check box which allows you to turn off the nag screen when your spending diamonds. I recommend people not turn those off and think about it every time they cough up 10 diamonds here, 50 there, etc. It is too easy for one to forget and use up all their money and then the wallet has to come out again.  

        I also recommend people game the rewards with a little self control. It is too easy to over use your resources in an effort to boost your party quickly. Restrain yourself and grow your character over several days using previous rewards to help you garner new ones. Doing this will maximize your diamond/resource usage, but this may be a lot to ask of reward junkies.  

        If anyone thinks these companies aren\'t trying to game your inner impulses like you game the game, they are incredibly naive. If you\'re going to play a game like this, you have to go in with a plan or set spending limit and enjoy it at that level.

        And for the record, bestiality isn\'t fictionalizing humans with animal parts. Such creatures have been in stories for millennia and told to children for crying out loud. The same goes for creatures made with parts of multiple animals, e.g. a griffin.

        EDIT:  Oh yeah, as for the ripping off of other games. You\'re right, so I have no comment. There\'s no excuse for that.
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 Author| Post time 2014-1-18 16:24:43 | Show all posts

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Reply 1# simplar
        Well I talked about the money making as a necessity but I also elaborated, explaining the issues surrounding how they are charging a lot more than other companies and using deceit to con people out of their money (i.e. loop quest glitch) and one other thing I forgot to mention was the bug that meant you couldn\'t cancel VIP subscription. Like damn. I don\'t think people are gonna get compensated for that anytime soon though.

        I am aware of the long-standings of said mythical creatures, but the sexual appeal created is what spawned my argument. Goat people are not supposed to be attractive.


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Post time 2014-1-18 20:18:48 | Show all posts

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I bet other goats think they are supposed to be attractive. seems racist to think that goats are unattractive just because your not a goat.....next you\'ll be stealing other companies intellectual property and remareting it as your own then gouging yoour customers....it\'s a dangerous road to walk the road your on.
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               I bet other goats think they are supposed to be attractive. seems racist to think that goats are unattractive just because your not a goat.....next you\'ll be stealing other companies intellectual property and remareting it as your own then gouging yoour customers....it\'s a dangerous road to walk the road your on.     rodtford@hotmail.com posted on 2014-01-18 07:18:48     
        OK so apart from the plethora of fails in regards to the english language, I though I should tidy up this mess of a comment.
        Goats are not a race.
        The marketing audience is humans
        you\'re*
        re-marketing*
        I\'m not the one stealing intellectual property so everything after the first triple dots is false
        The triple dots are used incorrectly anyway
        You used your email as your display name
        Your name is Rod
       
I think I covered the basics with that.
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BR rating means nothing. Diamonds means everything. At least with Wartunes, your able to pay for gears, mounts and weapons for $5-10 while here you have to spend an incredible amount of money just to be part of the top 5 who can get chests with new gears? Its literally over $100. Don\'t do it. Save your money for an actual game that will benefit your wallet and your avatar in the long run. I\'m waiting for Elder Scrolls Online in March. Thats where my money will go to. Conclusion, this game is awesome but NOT worth spending your hard earn cash on.
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        I agree to all the original poster\'s argument (except the goat/sensual part of it).

        Reply 5# mythsandmagics
Indeed. The prizes one could get from being top 1-5 is worth hundreds of dollars if you would convert them to their real money denomination.

        It\'s true that every game companies\' purpose is to gain money much like everyone else in any industry. Nonetheless, there are those profiting entities that would abuse and overemphasize on money making so much it\'s obvious to see even for dumb people.

        I even got a rude, sarcastic reply from a super moderator for pointing what I honestly feel about the Alchemy Event on the Support Section. Talk about being a good moderator. If you read the thread I feel cheated..., you can easily tell that they even have vip treatment and would not tolerate negative but honest plea if you\'ve paid less for a p2w game. I\'m not interested enough to look for it and quote it but it went along Thank you so so much for your cooperation.
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        i feel ya bro

        if anything, its games like these that are impossible to ever beat because the best players have donated about 500 preyy pennys so to speak to get their rank and items.

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just to take your challange to the whole the first time is the besti can think of a way outside of sex that phrase is mainly used in drug usage...just saw a challange thought i would accept lol
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        as posted elsewhere, in OP\'s defense, most games aren\'t as dirty as this and wartune. So if this is his first exposure to these types of games then I don\'t blame him for his post. But yeah, it\'s nefariously designed to suck you in for hours every single day, and bombard you with temptation to spend more diamonds.

        The only way to play these games is to sit back, take a deep breath, *NOT* care about being the best, and think about how ever thing here is designed to take all your time/money. Which basically means... don\'t really play at all. And I\'m not being a jerk... I\'m taking my own advice. Got burned by wartune, fell for this trap for a few days, leaving this one too. have fun being lowbies and getting killed, or blowing all your time/money on a video game. lose-lose situation.

        meanwhile, Blade and Soul China is.....that way. play at your own pace. my type of game.
        more on money stealing:
        [url=http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/RaminShokrizade/20130626/194933/The_Top_F2P_Monetization_Tricks.phphttp://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/R ... tization_Tricks.php]http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/RaminShokrizade/20130626/194933/The_Top_F2P_Monetization_Tricks.php[/url]


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