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Quick question. So they lowered the price of arcane spirit recently - now only requires 32 spades and since I don\'t think their going to give any more opportunities to get godless wolf, I was thinking about getting it. Arcane lightning does 15% more than blood frenzy so it should be better even without the lower character hp = higher damage, right? Anybody have any opinions on this?
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Post time 2014-12-25 13:14:36 | Show all posts

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I will do some screenshots for you to show you exactly what I think. ;First my prediction:
arcane spirit will do considerably less damage than my claw even with a higher damage multiplier and similar attack power even with claw at full HP. ;I have some testing to do anyways, so I\'ll include that for you;
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        notable stats, patk and his skill multi is 162%

       

        claw moved 1st thing off in this fight, made sure of it to remove any stat enhancement on either side, no buffs, full hp.



        arcane has maybe 8-9k less makt than claw had patk, this is a skill growth thing I couldn\'t fix to make their stats exactly even, so let\'s put a % on it.

Ill call it 10k to round up. ;10000/480000= .020833333 =~2.1%

arcane\'s damage multi is 165% which is 3%.

        based on your hypothesis, with 2% less matk but 3% higher skill multi, we should see almost identical damage.
        here is what actually happened.

       

        we see solidly 40-50% less damage from arcane.

        Hence claw still does more damage than arcane. ;Even standard 100 rage claw compared to standard arcane.

        also in arcane\'s favor is lower mdef compared to pdef. Claw is just better plain and simple.

        lastly, I did not alter buffs, all i did was change heroes and swap gear and gems, in order to give the best comparison I possibly could have, yes I buy patk angel worships, that could account for 10-15% extra damage in battle.  It still does not answer the 40-50% gap.  Looking closer, the enemy in mid took almost 100% extra damage from claw compared to arcane.  Just too massive for worships to make up.
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That is a great comparison redshirt,  I\'m sure everyone appreciates the work you put into this.  My only problem with this comparison is you\'re comparing Godless which is BC evolve to AS which is the base.  The numbers might be much closer with Thunder lord instead.  But again.  Thanks for the info,  you do a great job of informing us on the forums.
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Sorry. .I misspelled your name redshift.
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Reply 3# agcarmich@gmail.com
        well, this is as close as apples to apples as skill comparison gets, since claw at skill level +7 is 162% and arcane at skill +7 is 165%, it lets all of the difference in power rely on the skill itself. ;Yes thunderlord gets closer to claw\'s damage, but even with like 180%+ matk skill power he\'s hitting less than 80% of godless at 162% (I had a friend who did a comparison of TL to godless a while ago).

        also thanks. ;It only took me a few minutes to test and some soulstones and a pile of gold to do. ;Since I had piles of stuff laying around and someone asked, I figured I\'d finally do the tests I had been meaning to do to help people choose heroes.
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        wolf got crits arcane didnt thats the 50% difference i think

        anyway thanks for your time comparing those 2 red i think a.s. could actually work maybe i can get base version of it and compare both unbuffed someday
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Reply 6# ghostlyfire
look closer at the screen shot, arcane 3x crit just as godless.  They both had 18k ish crit on opponents with less than 1k end, that\'s 100% crit chance.
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oh ye now that u mention iit AS did crit. That leaves me with no clue where doff comes from
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        I posit that it has to do with the 2nd part of claw\'s skill, i think it\'s an error boosting claw\'s damage artificially even with full hp.

        However, without a more direct explanation of how the damage system works, I can\'t know for sure. ;Though I also posit claw will eventually be nerfed.
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