Wolf or Viper

phynix

a friend was thinking of getting viper or wolf but wants to save some michael cards to get apollo or new hero next time so i told her wolf with raph and apollo(not yet in his possesion) was a good idea ,what do you guys think?

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hiehie

both beasts has their good qualities.. viper if for pvp, wolf if for pve..

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judgement

          ;;;; a friend was thinking of getting viper or wolf but wants to save some michael cards to get apollo or new hero next time so i told her wolf with raph and apollo(not yet in his possesion) was a good idea ,what do you guys think? ;;; phynix posted on 2015-02-28 07:20:45;;;;

        depends. I would need a quick scope of some thing before choosing.;;

        example situational ok?

        let say you have Prometheus and he uses his SS special [30%damage reduction whole party] this combine with wolf is 15% damage reduction [note im only stating what I have heard of his % at the first bough the % probably or heal can increase by bout, meaning my siren says 26% damage increase and many have told me that is not the initial % of its buff, they said it was lower so there could be a chance that the damage reduction from wolf can increase as well] This means that wolf at first level combine with prom ss would give a 45%damage reduction, Thus in this case this party formation would make wolf more desirable,;; as well as wolf heals for an x amount of damage [meaning damage on the max hp -their defense= heal]..

        For viper is a great pvp accest but still provide one little thing for pve in holy throne, viper can heal but I heard not as much as wolf [I would love data on this on same bout beast ], viper does stun one random person which makes this the most viable beast for shrine and csa battle ectect,

        ;;; so ill explain. when you fight a battle you now have 2hero and 1 main character [one hero outside of battle waiting to come in] let say your beast goes off, it will stun one of those and it doesn\'t matter which one it is , a stun its always a plus.; stunning a tank good wont have to worry about what ever that tank does [example soaring dragon from hermes or magical break], stun a dps? great... wont have to worry about getting smacked by him and you can kill him after.; Stun a main character? great... who ever it is spirit/mage/knight/fighter. you wont receive their damage and what ever effect they will imply [for example a knight taunt -.-].. so overall stunning is a great thing. Note: so far my siren always hits twice in a battle, one on first turn and one more time on second turn, it always has so this state that viper will do the same and stun twice [one of first turn one on second turn]

        Lastly the stun does work in holy throne MINI boss. meaning the 4 guys before you fight the last boss.; Those mini boss will get stun or the add giving you a free shot and less damage to work up toward the steps of defeating the last boss and remember that he does heal a bit still[some said mediocre heal but I don\'t have viper to test]

        in my opinion I still would choose viper

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aytheal

        hmm, I am really wondering how much a bout 3 Viper does in damage and heals in PVP. ersonally, I still cant see the justification for two Michaels to test for myself. ;Although, in the end i personally would still stick with wolf.

       

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judgement

        Like I stated 100ths of time [exaggerated number]

        the combination potential is what makes it cost 2michael but everything has to work this way

        1. the heals should be higher than wolf it just it should scale higher, example a; hero does Apollo 90k-100k still heals over 100k, a viper does aoe 88k bout III I think and ignore defense[note:this doesn\'t count the skill crystal added] [wolf doesn\'t have ignore defense just extra hit plus the % of max hp which like you shown its 8%]...; so in my case viper still has to be increase to the point that is much higher heal than wolf I still state by this fact and I have said it in Skype many times.

        2. the stun is one of the biggest factor. is 100% that it should hit twice. meaning first turn it will activate it by the first skill your main does. on the second time it will be either active by the opponent hitting you thus 2 stuns. which is a huge change in a VIP VS VIP COMBAT [Apollo,tank,paris or even Apollo,paris, abdiel combo [triple p2w cannon]]...

        3. it is an ignore defense unlike blood wolf the damage will be the exact power that it gives, this is pretty much stating that it should be a FUSION APOLLO WITH A BEAST.

        if everything works CORRECTLY THE BEAST SHOULD BE OVERPOWERED AND SHOULD COST 2MICHAEL CARD that what I have stated many times and will stay by what I have said.


        note: we have so far into my knowledge 18 vipers user ^,^ . it just shows how they must either like it or felt it was overpowered.


        ps. on you preferable choice is this,  wolf give 15%damage reduction[more if its higher bout] as you shown 24% which is awesome, if viper heals much like Apollo and still using stun. viper might get the upper hand. either way having viper stun twice is no joke if you look at it that way ^,^.. again its all preference choice right?

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aytheal

It just a personal opinion why I dont see why it cost two Michaels. ersonally, I never seen the point of stuns but thats only because I have no need for it. ;However, I do see how others would find it more useful than I do. ;I\'m not saying that its cost should be changed.

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judgement

          ;;;; It just a personal opinion why I dont see why it cost two Michaels. ersonally, I never seen the point of stuns but thats only because I have no need for it. ;However, I do see how others would find it more useful than I do. ;I\'m not saying that its cost should be changed. ;;; aytheal posted on 2015-02-28 12:17:19;;;;

        im just explaining it to you aytheal. your one of the strongest, so there isn\'t a need for a stun. your main character can probably survive what 1-2ice wrath?? [I remember I fought you once before the triple cannon was lay out your hero didn\'t use aoe on me so when my back strongest aoe was ice wrath you ate it like a boss]

        so what im stating here[right now] is that the stun will never benefit you at all ever unless you fight another 2-3 aytheal mirror XD, than the heros and main character will hurt you like you hurt other.

        to me wolf is 100% wayyyyyy more beneficial to you as no one can really damage you hard and thus with wolf 24%damage reduction is a sinch...

        what im stating about viper is that it should of had more heal like Apollo than a wolf since I quote;  wolf was to pricy [this was someone who work for the company that said it in Skype].. and viper cost 2 Michael and that with the other things that viper give would cost 2michael...

        that the only thing im stating here ^,^

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aytheal

Yeah, I really understand that my view of things really;don\'t;apply to many players at all in this game for now.

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phynix

        wolf costs only 1 michael card atm guys

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princeelysion

        it said unholy blood wolf damage is 5% of target max hp, does it deal millions of damage to world boss ?

        I am in confusion what to get VL or UBW, VL ignoring defense will heal the same amount regardless tank/dps, UBW will deal little damage to tank.

        How the heal is calculated? total damge divide by 3, each to one party member?

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