Some thoughts on compensation/fixes (reposted on request)

tenshi samshel

        Got a request to repost this one.resumably the second half is what was asked for? Original thread:;http://community.gtarcade.com/post/index/id/56912/?floor=21

        Let me start by saying: if if I disagree with ghost on this one, I think he\'s earned his moment in the sun, and I find his proposal interesting... as well as wondering if he has further cards up his sleeve.;

Having said that: I think SQ would result in various problems. For one, it\'s no doubt a big issue for those few players who did win her legitimately. They\'d be messed over badly - though that could partially be remedied by a good swap offer, I suppose.
Second, while I\'ve never bothered to develop strategies for her (way above my paygrade), giving everyone the same big hero may result in a stale game where only a few builds are reasonable.
Third, if that\'s true, f2p won\'t benefit. They\'ll have a weaker version of the same build, which means automatic loss.
Fourth, much as f2p deserves a break, it\'s to me a separate topic to the cheating scandal. It may be a good opportunity to change the game for the better however, so if it takes this to improve the game, I won\'t hold that strongly against the proposal.
        Fifth though, I prefer systemic solutions over simple fixes. My guess is if SQ is given to everyone, GTA will make her (and every existing build) obsolete in a few months time; that will serve no one, and least of all f2p\'s who don\'t have the resources to switch builds as easily. In that sense, yes, it is too much, and also too little.;As said, I nonetheless am curious how this will play out.;

        As for my own views on compensation:

        1) Those players badly affected (like those cheated out of SQ or loads of diamonds) should get their rewards or those diamonds back.; (see note at the end)

        2) A strong solution against future hacking, that doesn\'t rely solely on GT employees. My suggestion is the long-time junior mods, to receive abilities to investigate players themselves, with some proper limitations to prevent abuse, and supermod oversight for the same reason.

        3) I\'ll agree on Ghost\'s demand that bugs be fixed seeing as they did have the time to delete dozens of threads.

4) If we go this way, then lasting solutions to keep f2p competing. There are no easy fixes for that, but some basic suggestions:
a) Ways for anyone to obtain the royal marks needed to upgrade gear, or change that into a more available currency. Until implemented properly, this can be done through compensation-like methods.
b) HoC accessibility. Simplest solution would be a major increase in HoC vouchers given, and no new anti-f2p changes. F2p should be able to get a crest every 3 months or so, which is a long time to wait.
c) In line with the SQ proposal, I\'d have a different suggestion: give jokers/aces to every player, basically enough to get one or two hero crests of your choice (probably two minor crests or one of the best crests). For one, this is a compensation for the previous point having been ignored way too long. It\'s also something every player can use, that nobody will need feel cheated about. It\'s diverse, people can get whatever build they like. It should help loads of players to breach into the end game, perhaps keep a lot of them interested who would otherwise drop out. With that, far more players will be able to compete seriously, which by all means should be an improvement.
d) No changes that will make render current f2p builds obsolete overnight.
e) Revision of the newly added/changed events that are basically a total loss to f2p, so as to make it worthwhile events for any player.

Those would be suggestions that I think will do f2p as well as spenders a lot more good, particularly in the long run. I also think they\'re realistic, beneficial to the game itself, and would have little effect on how much people will spend, while encouraging competition.;
As said, I don\'t flame down Ghost\'s proposal for a variety of reasons, even if I think it\'s pretty bad. Much as I\'m sympathetic to him at this point, he seems to want GT to burn, while my objectives would be to get back the great game it was half a year ago. Different objectives, different solutions. Still, I will add that I will pick Ghost\'s solution over GT\'s likely solution of not doing anything.

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        Added note: I think Vhunter\'s post here (;http://community.gtarcade.com/post/57008/ ) is a good addition to #1.;


        As always, commentary, suggestions and improvements are welcome. However with the large number of threads currently, I understand if mods decide to lock it at their discretion . I understand a mod requested it; I\'ll leave it in his hands.

Edit 2, response to feather: yeah, guess we had some communication going past each other... happens to players as well, I guess! As said, if no longer needed, this thread may be deleted.

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feather_of_sun

        And cycona said you werent online so asked me to send in the older post >.>

        I copied him the forward message. You can ask him for that.

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mr.zoidi

        i thought he wasnt on sorry!
        but still the older post is good; thank you so much again tenshi!
        i would love to see you not as a jr mod; but a super one this game need more people like you.


        Cycona.

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feather_of_sun

You need to address the people you are talking to lol. It looks like 3 sentences to 3 different ppl

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tentoes_666

well considering hes talking to you and tenshi..i dunno where you got the third person from...but it\'s kinda obv the first line was to you, since you initiated in your previous post about tenshi not online, and second post he said thank you tenshi and last post is well..for you, since tenshi isn\'t a mod...

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lillytokins

        Best one yet.

        I thought that maybe DE for all might be better addition, and for people who have ever ranked over 100k points her evolve can be collected too. And goodbye cs tycoon, but hello bug fixes sounds good to me;

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mr.zoidi

Reply 4# tentoes_666
        actually was talking to tenshi about the mod thing i would like to see him as a super mod; that guy is really something
        as for we need more people like you; i meant them both; feather and tenshi

        sorry its late and im tired; so i just type -___-

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tentoes_666

see ppl posting on non mod account is just confusing

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feather_of_sun

        Tenshi is not mod. That is why that 3 sentences was confusing.

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forrest.halliburton

I like what I hear from tenshi,;in general,;and trying to keep thing even, I think we need to break this down and not lump all in one thing, the CS needs its own comp, the server guilds needs its own, and the bugs needs its own, now the problems I see are , nothing has been finalized. bugs aren\'t fixed, how many more, and how long do we project? so how to really rate this, the CS seeds has been going on for some time, seen posts as far back as July so how will that work, I guess diamonds are somewhat fair but;at what level can be beat to death. many items missed cant be bought straight out. crests, marks etc are examples, as I stated earlier one SQ wont be any good, most wont have rubys or resources to make worth a darn. I did say that they could look at last few events and make packages; from that. tycoon, tourney, war etc. I also think its funny that;all these issues have been brought up before by myself and others and pushed to the side.

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