Forging Red Gear

the villain

Ok, I just ran some numbers to get a rough idea of things and was pretty disheartened at the results. I understand that Red Gear would be the top gear in game so you don\'t really want to GIVE it away but you have to make the items realistically attainable. Helm takes 16 Crystals. At 50 Essence per Crystal thats 800 red boxes. If 16 is the average number per gear thats 6400 red boxes. Even IF you had a server with a decent population and ppl with a very high number of boxes saved and run 20 per day everyday it would take you a year to make all gear red lmao. Currently you get 1 red box per day from login gifts, if you ONLY counted that box (6400 days=18 years) free players pretty much have ZERO chance to ever get red gear......and to get their 1 box daily they still need to spend gold since the daily rewards have changed and you now need to do Expedition x2.  I don\'t know what the answer is to fix this and make the gear a realistic chance for ppl to make in their lifetime but a change definitely needs to be made.

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vessalius

its easy, simply change the artifact essences needed per artifact crystal. I guess a more realistic ratio would be like 10 essence = 1 artifact crystal?

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firemanbil

other pieces take 24+ helm is the cheapest..

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quest

They do add crystals to random events and they are handing out red boxes like cheese. If I actually focus on it. I could have by now 2 red gears. I currently have like 7 crystals and 500 red boxes without even trying. Still, noncashers still have it impossible to obtain red gear. Even if VIP people could give them 20 reds per day, could take them MORE then a year. The only way to obtain gear seems its;by cash.

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the villain

Reply 1# vessalius
        Decreasing the ratio by 80% like you\'re suggesting is just madness. 1) It\'s a decrease of 80%!!!  lol 2) it really hurts anyone who already forged the crystals at 50 essence. If they made any change the number of Crystals per gear would be the fairest way possible.

        Quest, yeah I see what you\'re saying but you probably fall into the top 5% of ppl who actually spend decent in the game. Free players or moderate spenders have no chance. They could literally spend years and still not have any.

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mrhappy s(204)

        It is not that bad at all guys it goes rather fast for the Best In Slot gear. I have been running 30-35 red box\'s a day since Mono stopped. I have 7 crystals atm and will have the other 5 soon. I have all but the weapon and pants ready to be upgraded and I\'lll provide pics of the cost for each. The cheapest is Ring and Boots at 12 crystals.
       
        I had over 430 box\'s myself saved up at the completion of Mono. several of the people in my Alliance and server have between 200-300 box\'s, Just pair up with 2 other people and swap out 10 box\'s a day and you will have them in no time. U figure 1-2 months per item is fine and you really dont want everyone in the game running around with red items galore..... It is the best of the best gear
       

        It pays to have friends and use all your avail stam for RED box\'s as long as you don\'t have an event that gives points for Orange\'s

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quest

Reply 5# jpropst
What villa is trying to say that; red gear set is as easy to obtain, for a vip0, as gabriel is. Which I think its just bad since by the time you obtain a complete set as a vip0, you could be high enough to obtain better orange gear.

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mrhappy s(204)

        There has to be items, gear, heroes, beasts etc in the game that requires money to be spent bottom line. I see nothing wrong with the absolute best gear in the game requiring you to spend some gold to get in a timely manor. VIP 0\'s seem to have some sense of entitlement when it comes to the best in this game and well they need to come to reality.;

        I mean come on it is a pay to win game after all.;

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the villain

        Any game with a cash shop is P2W thats nothing new to me I\'ve played enough net games to understand how things work. BUT if the balance between a free-moderate spender and a high spender isn\'t there then;the game is thrown out of balance. Nothing wrong with making the set difficult to obtain or take time.....or even cost real money, but for a free player it is literally impossible.

         Samael I understand what you and Quest are both saying but keep in mind how much gold you\'ve bought and spent and consider you\'re in the top 5% of spenders. I\'ll get the set eventually (I\'m sure later than you guys) but for others who spend very little (or none at all) it\'s not even a possibility. Also consider that this might not even be the end game set. Eventually this gear could be obsolete, so any later set I\'d assume would be even harder/ more costly to obtain. Cutting off 80% of the player base just kills games, I\'ve seen it before.

         Expecting ppl to grind for this length of time for gear is also over the top. I don\'t mind grinding some but as I pointed out 1 FREE red box a day you\'re talking years not months. For someone who spends 5k gold per month it would still take them the better part of a year to craft the set if these events/ rewards are anything to go by.  People who do make it in a shorter time would be the top end cashers in the game.  I\'m not a free player, and I\'m not a light/ moderate spender so this thread isn\'t me crying cause I can\'t get the set it\'s about keeping ppl interested in the game if they choose not to or can\'t spend money.

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xdane

I\'m already disheartened by the sheer amount of required Artifact Shards needed for 1 Crystal. That\'s why I\'m just buying Seal Crystals from the A.Shards in Hell Portal.

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