The state of top end pvp

mrhappy s(204)

        Ok I would like to keep this as civil as possible. I would like to discuss the state of the top end PvP as it is right now.

        We have currently have two beasts and two heroes that are hard counters for all forms of cc/debuffs. Rosefinch, Hydra, Uriel and Raphael all provide a two turn Immunity to everything. Immunity is a really cool ability but it kills all strategy for builds.;

        The meta now seems to be get an immune beast & hero and then get whom ever hits the hardest and heals the most. Let\'s take a look at the new red hero Pumpking. Yes he hits hard and yes he heals a ton, tho his cool feature was secondary effect of reducing Def to be a direct counter for tanks and high Def knights and of course his bleed. So anyone with an afore mentioned beast or hero all this Pumpking does is aoe dmg and heal. We can name a few other heroes that do that.

        Now let\'s take a look at what they did with apollo/moirai. Apollo had a CC that made the opponent dizzy reducing hit, so he became us less against the 4. So with Moirai they changed the skill to add dodge which is really just making the skill go from a debuff on the enemy team to a buff for your team so it could bypass the 4. I personally would like to see more skills of this nature since all of pve is now immune and almost all the top end and a lot of the mid players have immunities now. What\'s the point of having cool secondary abilities in heroes if they never get used?

        Also let\'s talk about some new abilities that could add an interesting aspect to pvp. How about a hero or beast that could strip a opponents immunity for a few turns, how about a 1-2 round silence, or instead of rebounding a portion of dmg. Have a ability that would negate all dmg received and do a 100% reflect?

        I was just thinking today that in about another 6 months the majority of the population will have any number of these immunity beast and heroes and then what? I remember when I first started playing CC and debuffs were a huge part of the strategy of building your team, hero and charter skill selection and what beasts to use. Now that seems to be a forgotten aspect of the game.

        Just my 2cts today. Let\'s discuss it. I\'d like to see different point of views for PvP.

dominos4646

I agree with this. Having pumpkin is great for farming non vip players in csa. But at a higher tier he is basically uriel without the de-buff clear and no def agi bonus. I would have preferred that he buff party to ignore def or buff party to increase dmg/reduce dmg. Having any type of status effect is silly at higher tier as they are all removed at the end of every turn. I don\'t see a way to fix this without retooling hydra/finch or altering the debuffs to be party buffs instead.;

bloodalisa

use a different strategy . Maybe someone took these heroes and Beast just did for Immunity . And thus you destroy someone else\'s strategy.Now you can build a variety of strategies with new combo skills . Get more fantasy .
Michael gives Immunity...and not have heal. If change what you want. What be with this Hero?

matthaus

The debuff removal needs a complete and total overhaul, which I completely agree. Pumpking is worthless in PVP, except for high AoE damage, putting him one step above Apollo, in my opinion. Not at all like a knight killer, but more of a squire. With most debuffs being removed, it then comes down to who has the highest damage/piercing vs. highest defense. Well, we know who has highest defense, don\'t we?

bloodalisa

Now with combo skills . Good Spirit can compete with the Knight . To me there is a good chance if you apply the right strategy. As shown in the main tournament of the Knights win , I think the next tournament will be very interesting

mrhappy s(204)

Reply 2# xaiopk7@yandex.ru
Sadly there is no counter for immunity, it trumps everything currently in game. And looking at the combo skills there really isn\'t a great set of choices in each tab. There is 1 great skill and one that could be situational. So imo there isn\'t much of a strategy there.

dominos4646

The point is that having the immunity limits variation in strategy. Currently abilities that blind, stun, reduce def, or hit are worthless. The only dispute might be tank dmg vs double dmg. Different skills have been rendered pointless. The cool part of many heros is worthless. Combo skills will add variation for sure and thats a good thing. And with some of the amazing def talents we may even see some tank tank teams. If the bleed wasn\'t a immune item I would consider holy light pumpkin with holy light gab and a dodge refuge and special skill def boost team. might not win but it could be cool.

bloodalisa

Reply 6# dominos4646
Do you think that Life Drain and Warrior Fable is not a good skill ? )As for me with the right combination of them will be much more useful than on the Last Strike!You can make Uriel huge damage kotoromy you can kill with one blow DD opponent.Or you can make the most tenacious party.

spook

        i do agree with part of what been said.. but lets face uriel is only for heavy cashers, so raphael not so much but still hard to get and no so many people using..
        as for the beasts they are not so easy..
        but getting to my point this only happens on top players for the middle and down players who dont have this sings the startegies still apply..

angel_of_misery

        i think when devs bring in immunity they killed all strategy now its yust simple cashing strategy than personal hero selecting and charecter building and if by some chance remove that immunity maybe some players will be happy some others will be against it but its yust that well i think it like that those that have immunity beast and good heroes that they bully others that dont have immunity
        and here is pumpkin they advertised him like he is God amoungs heroes but while there is immunity he is simply hero to throw awey money well he is good hero but if he cant use his SS only 1 part of skill function if opponent have immunity;why even buying him for so much money