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Hit Rating and Hit are the same thing

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Post time 2016-4-20 07:11:38 | Show all posts |Read mode
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So, I mentioned a way to test whether Persian Cat's Hit Rating was added to the Hit calculations, or if it was the same as increasing regular Hit at http://community.gtarcade.com/fo ... p;extra=&page=3
" If a hero who we know does not have enough hit to hit the opponent at all, is able to hit the opponent after some buffs using Persian Cat, we will see that Hit Rate and Hit are different.
If it still can't hit it at all, then they are the same."

No one did the test as there was no replies to this. I have Persian Cat now, so it ended up with me testing it after all.

I dropped my party's Hit to less than 50k for everyone by unequipping all Hit gems, removed Miya and Heavenly Storm, made sure I didn't have any other Hit buffing items on. Moved Persian Cat into the first mount skill slot, and did a compare battle with an opponent who has a main with 100k dodge.

If Hit Rating was different to Hit, then I would have a (16% per turn for 3 turns) 48% chance to hit the opponent with each attack. If it was the same then I would not be able to hit the opponent for the whole battle.

Here's what happened: I wiped the opponent's team, leaving his main and then stun-locked his main. For all 30 turns, no one (except my 100% hit angel, which doesn't do enough damage to kill them) was able to hit this 100k dodger. Therefore, the "Hit Rating" and "Hit" are the same thing.
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Post time 2016-4-20 08:04:11 | Show all posts
so is persian cat worth buying? or go with cheaper ones with hit ratings that stock?
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  • If you need Hit, then Persian Cat is still the one to go for, but it works best in slot 2 or 3 because of it not being able to stack.

    Persian Cat: 1.19^3 = extra 68.5% Hit after 3 turns
    Elephant: 1.058^3^2 = extra 66% Hit after 4 turns, last I checked, the ATK part of the buff doesn't work.
    Tusky: 1.08^3^2 =  extra 100% Hit after 4 turns, but no offense buffs.
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    2016-4-20 08:14  Reply
  • nice you really research and calculate this things and thats awesome so yeah im getting persian cat thanks to you
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    2016-4-20 08:41  Reply
  • actually, I think messed up the calculations, wrong symbol. I'll fix it after silver war.
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    2016-4-20 08:56  Reply
  • Cat is correct.
    Elephant: 1.058^(3*2) = extra 40% Hit after 4 turns
    Tusky: 1.08^(3*2) =  extra 59% Hit after 4 turns
    Lizard: 1.07^(3*2) =  extra 50% Hit after 4 turns
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    2016-4-20 09:17  Reply
  • oh the lizzard has great %hit for the price. persian cost twice as lizzard
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    2016-4-20 09:35  Reply
  • Lizard has great ATK too. But as I said earlier, Persian Cat is awesome in slot 3.
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Post time 2016-4-20 07:19:47 | Show all posts
Thank you for your testing, this helps my decision on what to get from Angel Party immensely.

Too many people, for whatever reason, don;t share information on this game and it annoys me.
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  • Nevertheless, the percentage that Persian Cat increases by is still huge. Not many have 100k Dodge, so it's still worth considering getting Persian Cat.
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Post time 2016-4-20 10:15:35 | Show all posts
Yagami, and about using 2 or 3 mount hit buffs?
They are aditive?
They are multiplicative?
The second replace first, and the third replace sacond and first replace third.... ?
but I still think hit and hit rating are different. By some battle watch ( 10 +-) against people around 5~10k dodge higher than my hit. (i have only 27k hit, yes I have low BR)
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  • Need 0.8xDodge to hit. So if you have 27k hit, you can hit 33.7k dodge without buffs. If you include buffs, that's easy to hit 10k higher.

    If a buff expires in a few turns, the turns it lasts gets refreshed if you can't stack any more. Can't really test the rest, but it should work multiplicative.
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  • nice test, will go with them being same and they just cant keep a standard detail description.
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Post time 2016-4-21 04:32:33 | Show all posts
persian`s cat buff aint stacking, it just lasts for 3 rounds. about hit and hit rating being the same, maybe but looks way easier to hit certain oponents with cat than without
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  • think that was the outcome that the cat and pegy does not stack. and that when they use hit% or hit rating% it is meant as the same. can understand why cat makes it easier when it boost almost 20% not counting other buffs, so for some that is a huge gain.
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    2016-4-21 05:06  Reply
  • I multiplied it by 3 because cat says "Increase stats  EACH ROUND. Lasts 3 turns".
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    2016-4-21 07:09  Reply
  • didn't see stack for pegy or cat? but will look again, anything that just says increases hit just affects the base stat of hit that yu see on details, if it says hit rate/rating then it is % based and takes the player stats, (passive) and calc's % of that and adds to it in battle. at least that's what I have come up with.
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